i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> big moments in debates past. let's talk about debates future. maggie haberman of politico, let me begin with you, how much the debates really matter. you see the moments that come out of them. how much difference? >> they can make a huge difference. especially for mitt romney. the risk for romney not doing well wednesday night will not tune in for later debates. i think there's not a loft enthusiasm on either side, frankly. if romney doesn't do something to seem serious and a hope for obama mistake there's very diminishing returns. >> governor romney has to shake things up on wednesday? >> romney has to get this debate focused on policies. and his alternatives and why they would do better. virtually no talk about that in this campaign. if this campaign turned to that, that's hugely to romney's advantage and that's what he needs to focus on. >> does he have to give out more details? >> interesting to me to hear you guys talk about details. i didn't a